People sin, and people attend churches. In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) I hope Im helping him in his faith journey. A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. 6.) John 10:10, Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. Baptist continued to grow in numbers through the period of the Great Awakening and up to the time of the Revolutionary War. Biblical Mandate for BaptistDeception.com. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. Right down to exactly a tenth. It is the clergymen who are affiliated. An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. Biblically neither Deacons or Trustees are a governing body, or a board, but titles of special appointed servants who serve at the will of the pastor and congregation. There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament. The church I left about 2 years ago had very nasty tracts in the back of the church that said horrible things about other translations, calling them perversions and so forth and actually saying outright lies about other translations. How many people are in churches were the pastor is unaccountable? Its ugly and frustrating. Questions/comments: Pastor Brewer's email: Wprophet@aol.com. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. Finally, I think you have some anger issues. Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. This charter was the very cornerstone of American religious freedom! Some of these churches have gone so far to even deny the fundamental teachings of the Bible, such as the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and salvation by the Grace of God, through faith. Is this really what youre doing here? Dress codes are not the problems. 8. Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. Nowhere in the Bible do I see that Christians are recognized by their clothing. Patrick was born in Scotland in 360 AD and sold into slavery at age sixteen and carried to Ireland. His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. Further, they reject so-called scriptures of modern day so called prophets. Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. HWY 3 NW. In North Carolina the first Baptist church was started in the northeastern coastal region at Perquimans, in Chowan County in 1727. . He continued to read the New Testament, and became fully aware that infant baptism, sprinkling for baptism, and allowing unsaved people to be members of the church was not Scriptural. Jesus Peace, Joy, and Guidance be with us all. Tithing is still a required act in obedience just like loving the Lord thy God and loving thy neighbor as thyself is. You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277). A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. They left these churches because of their strong conviction the Word of God should not be compromised. So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). So what is the solution? For example, G.L. For an example there is Patrick of Ireland. IMO, this is is baptist deception at its absolute worst. This group is to help Pastors locate KJV IFB Churches. The entire point of Matthew 15 is Jesus telling the Pharisees that the ceremonial laws were no longer needed since the reason for them (the cleansing of sin) was replaced with Christs eventual death on the cross. I heard an absolutely beautiful message, very uplifting, of course no singing, (Btw I like acapella singing, no biblical reason for it though) also didnt talk about baptism that day. Not all IFB churches are this way. I attend an IFB church. A new church opened their doors here recently, stating they are an IFB church. After taking in many of their services and listening to the self-ordained Pastor, and now reading this article, Ive come to some conclusions. My point is that Tithing is good since Jesus says they should not have left it undone. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Thus, resolving to follow the Lords commands in truth, in March, 1639 he formed the first Baptist church on American soil. THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. I would like to hear further explanation of the following: This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. In other areas Baptist churches were being formed about this same time. Just curious. We are a local New Testament church reaching the Phoenix area with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. His resources are free from this sight. Im not saying thats the case only sharing my experience & by Gods grace I have done so I believe. In 1638, he landed in Boston and settled for a short time in Piscataway (now Dover) in New Hampshire. 1:6-10, 1 Tim. Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. We have the freedom to give as much as we like, without any compulsion. If they want to protest such an event, please feel free to move their candy butts a mile or more down the road. There are no rules about what to give at all. Lynne While I agree with most of your comment, I would be very interested in finding where Jesus teaches about tithing in the bible. It holds high the saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed in the New Testament and an unwavering commitment to carrying out the Great Commission, that is, to teach everywhere the truth of Gods Word. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. 13:8-10). On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. The message is set. 13:17, Acts 20:28, Eph. May God bless Bob. So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. I love the way David Hayword (aka The nakedpastor) explains some of the problem. Look at Ezekiel 33. I believe it is almost impossible to grow to a complete relationship with God without knowing his nature. 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to Romans 1:20 says that For since the creation Gods invisible qualities his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.. Im not sure about this one. Tithing preceded the NT and ended with the establishment of the New Covenant. Nor can I know the heart of those I preach to. Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. In fact the Roman Church can only trace its history back to 313 AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity a legal religion. teaching that all sex is dirty, etc..), I see no sense in throwing the baby out with the bath water. May The Lord bless us, and keep us: The Lord make his face shine upon us, and be gracious unto us: The Lord lift up his countenance upon us, and give us peace. -How do you determine whether or not a church teaches or practices false doctrine? Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. I humbly asked a question. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: How can you not see that? You place too much value on modern denominational history. Henry Jacob. He returned to Salem where he was summoned before the court in Boston because of his outspoken beliefs and was banished from the colony. Visit Pinterests profile on Pinterest. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day., Based on the Word of God, I submit to you that Gods plan will not be thwarted because I fail to do something. 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. Separation is not the problem. She even gave me a monetary gift when I had no money for food. In a biblical church the pastor is the overseers or leaders of the congregation. 3:3). You are doing exactly what Mark 7:7 speaks against, you are teaching false doctrines and commandments of men. 74. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. There have always existed, from the time of Christ, New Testament churches which were not a part of the Roman Church. Also, you keep mentioning Jesus statement about not leaving tithing undone. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. Now when the head of a church & all dem that fall in line must appply apsotast (like openly Gay Pastor, etc) than you should have some of them on here big. It is one made up of baptized believers organized in a local congregation for fellowship, teaching and evangelism. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. Other Anabaptists groups were in gross error and corrupted. The crime of these men was that they believed the Bible was Gods Truth, and rejected dictates of false churches and men. I believe every one should realize that all is God & if a saint desires to put a tenth to honor God & furthering His kingdom or whatver portion as He desiresthat s a noble act between God & Himself. KJB,UNAFFILIATED. Robert Fry - Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception; 75. That coupled with your seeming lack of spiritual maturity will make for an interesting combination. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge. This is just too weird for me to not comment on. Just because all churches do something a certain way (whether its tithing, tithing a tenth, standing on their heads when they pray, or whatever) doesnt make it correct. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. I find your post rather disturbing, but what I find most disturbing is your use of scripture. In 1906 there was a split with this group, some believing that there should be no musical instruments in the church (dont know where this got dreamed up, certainly didnt find it in the bible) This is when they started calling themselves the Churches of Christ. Also, I support tithing personally. The Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches in the Philippines AFBCP is an organization guiding cooperative ministries of Independent Baptist In reference to the quote you took it wasi n explanation in regards to another point poised regarding tithing a tenth of income vs. actual agriculture and/or stock as the Jews did back thenand it was in a common sense response to the rhetoric regarding why tithe a tenth of income vs possesions being sold, etc is done by most churche sin Usa & other developed nations. Our pastor has NEVER once insinuated that the church ought to obey him. Please elaborate, Should have said of course no singing with musical accompaniment.. Treated like everywhere else been. Please excuse me. I liken this to attending a Bible study without your Bible. The cops accused them of urinating in the water. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! Mostly because that had nothing to do with my question. He lived a sinless and exemplary life, died on the cross in our place, and rose again to prove His victory and empower us . The issue that concerns me about dress standards is that the position a church takes is a Biblical one. Fundamental Independent Baptists church will remain separate from these churches as well as other Baptists groups who participate with the unscriptural churches. Just because everyone else is doing it doesnt mean its correct. I also believe that hanging around with non-Christians is detrimental to ones faith as I have done this. The Revolutionary War for some time slowed the growth of Baptist churches. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. The influx of these falsely converted pagans is one reason Roman Catholicism came to have so many idolatrous and pagan beliefs. It is well to note the Pilgrims were also Puritans, and Puritans were Protestants who had left the Church of England. No one I have ever talked to or debated can show me that money is ever to be considered a tithe. I cannot judge this man. It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. If the staff at Costa Mesa accepts the person, he becomes an affiliated clergyman in a global network led by Chuck Smith.. You are correct, I was surprised. You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. 521 13 AVE W. WILLISTON ND 58801 (701) 572-7839 CH. You may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with many of their doctrines and especially why they persecuted the Baptists and drove them from their colonies. Its beginning charter reads as follows: We whose names are hereunder written, being desirous to inhabit ourselves in active and passive obedience to all such orders or agencies as shall be made for the public good of the body in an orderly way, by the major consent of the present inhabitants, masters of families, incorporated together into the same, only in civil things.. It is surely an affront to any historically informed Baptist identify him by the name of a group that has so hated and persecuted them down throughout history. Smokers use breath mints. Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. http://www.bible-truth.org/fundbapt.htm. SOme Calvarly CHapels Im sure are good felloships. Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. I understand what you are saying about these kind of messages with strong emotional appeals. If someone just wanted to wear their socks and nothing else to Church they would probably not be allowed in most Churches. Like I alluded to earlier most folks dont study their bible, and many do so with preconceived ideas, please have a look at your churchs stance on these issues according to scripture and see if Thomas Campbell is right about these things. The Calvinistic or Particular Baptists were a different group and believed in limited atonement in which only the elect could be saved. A couple of things. . This site and others consistently speak about folks that follow and uplift man, in my faith I want only to lift up the God-man!! . Greg, He said from the pulpit, No one ever asked me if I was a Christian while out in public! Im thinking thats not a good thing. 10 Myths About the King James Version, 68. He showed me a . Such as The Church of Christ? I feel silly because some of the things I stood up for on this site are the same things that made me leave. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. God uses us, to the extent that get out of His way. Suppose too that some of them on reading that Bible were to believe and repent of their sins and place their trust in Gods Son and His redemption for personal sin. Google Maps shows it located in a modest strip mall in Jacksonville, Florida, alongside an arcade, a . My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. Thats kind of like being an American and never knowing enough about the nations beginnings to be able to make an intelligent decision about whether some politician is leading us away from freedom. The word Independent means that the church is not a member of any council, convention or is a part of any hierarchy outside the local congregation. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. Even the enemies of the Baptists openly recognize their zeal for the Word of God. Its is true that many Baptists left the ranks of Protestant churches which were doctrinal unsound and apostate. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? But wouldnt Paul himself, or the original church to whom the letter was sent, count as outside authority and control? To distinguish oneself from every other believer in the Body of Christ by either a doctrine, a practice, or a person is not scriptural, as the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. I do like your nice touch of calling us idiots though. Your reasoning is faulty. He, however, continued to preach by holding services in his own home. Hope youll check it out. However, bottom lineJesus never shared but truth to all incl Phairsees so if His position on tithing was as being not to be left undonethan I believe it stands as something that is good to do, pleasing to God. The Anabaptists were mostly a God-fearing group of people. I really dont know how to describe it. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. God leads us as we depend upon the Holy Spirit and keep His Word. If that were the case, Paul left out the most important person/position in addressing the Phillipian saints. Blessings. Our Mission Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. One young lady began attending a non IFB Baptist church. He mentions a man named William Sawtre, who was identified as a Lollard and Baptist, was the first person burned at the stake after Henry IVs 1400 AD decree to burn heretics. The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. None of us that I know of follow his every word like it was the Gospel truth. The Law was done away withperfect love fullfills all the Law was trying to acomplish. About. For another example, our neighbor is a lost man. I cannot know. God said He would preserve His church and that task was not left in the hands of fallible men or groups. The sole authority for any true church is Gods Word and not it founder, or its heritage. Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. I have gone to Dayspring in Wisconsin and Hillcrest in El Paso and both have apps if you want to check them out. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. Christ suffered and gave His life to save you from hell, it's time you start going to a church that actually believes that. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. He then baptized himself (which is not biblical) and then the others of his congregation. That is just my pointyou I fear are dedicating a almost hate site for this denomination when its no reason tovs just warning sagnist all bad behavior. The powertrip, which is all Ill call it, was even noticed to be among some of the laypersons who were ushers, or just people who knew people. v-43 Stop grumbling among yourselves, Jesus answered. Lynne, why is tithing so important to you anyway? As far as I recall no church ever told me must. My statement about folks not studying and just sitting in the pew and listening to the MOG, was not addressed to you specifically, but to folks generally, you wouldnt agree to this? 7.) Furthermore I believe it involved religion. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. It is well to note that not all Virginians felt this way. There were other factors, such as the show business aspects of the preaching as well as the powertripping that actually planted my difficulties to begin with. A church only has authority to set guidelines on dress as it is addressed in Scripture. Adulterous generally hide their actions. It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. I appreciate your stand for the cause of Christ, and remember always to rely on the blessed Word of God to lead and guide you, there will be times perhaps, when someone you really look up to is promoting ideas that are not biblical and yet they try to use the bible to convince you of their veracity. Independent Fundamental Baptist Church Hope is a Baptist church located at Chapala lago, Patzcuaro Ejido Xochimilco, Patzcuaro Ejido Xochimilco, Zona Urbana Xochimilco, Mexicali, Baja California 21355, MX. You have accused Greg of, Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture., yet you have essentially done the same thing. He also had a big thing against girls being in beauty pageants, not sure what the problem was there. KJV Church Directory. WHAT IS AN INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST CHURCH? We all make mistakes, the only thing we can do is apologize and attempt to do better. Ivor Church is the only one I know of where you can virtually come as you are. It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. I read what you wrote, thats why I replied with what I wrote. This church was not founded on a man, but on the Bible. Some have pointed to the Anabaptists as the examples of early Baptist churches. Jesus was prophesied in the old testament. Im surprised but shouldnt be by now that folks know so very little about their respective churches/traditions, most just sit in the pew and simply repeat what their pastor has told them, never checking and studying for themselves, what thus saith the Lord You act so surprised that I questioned you about which Church of Christ you were referring to, do yourself alittle favor and have a look at wikipedias lists of Churches of Christ First and foremost I wanted to make sure you werent referring to the The Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints which is a flat-out cult.
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